July 05, 2004
Dead Can't Dance and still be PG-13

After the promising test screening reports, I was really hoping that Constantine would be nice and dark and set itself apart from the rest of the comic-based fare, but it's getting harder and harder to be a cheerleader for the Constantinian cause.

According to a post made by her husband, the music of Lisa Gerrard will no longer be used in the score.

No real reasons given, but much discussion and speculation at the original thread at LG's forum and of course, at the Hellblazer forums.

The most disheartening thing is that this music may never be heard at all and it's supposed to be some of Lisa Gerrard's best and darkest work.

Fucking Hollywood.

constantine | from inside the mind of krix at July 05, 2004 11:00 AM .

There had to be a reason for the delay...
but this is really bad news.
Who do they want now?
Surely someone who is compatible with mainstream tastes...

Posted by: Niobe on July 5, 2004 11:50 AM

wow... sorry to hear that.. really like her music... the mainstream might benefit from her sounds...

Posted by: wanda on July 5, 2004 01:13 PM

The music of a film means nothing to me since it's usually played over the credits, so wherever, whatever, have a nice day...

That they are cutting (shredding?) to make this a PG-13 is important to me.

Posted by: Chianti on July 5, 2004 01:23 PM

I heard/read often that a lot of films ‘The One‘ played in, lost so much of their quality and sense because of PG-13…
It really sucks.

Posted by: creezy on July 5, 2004 01:33 PM

... So there is 0% percent chance of a Keanu full frontal, huh? Crap. Daredevil and The Punisher. (Wait, is the latter movie an R or PG-13?)

Posted by: Jonna on July 5, 2004 01:43 PM

I read this someplace, but couldn't get concrete evidence, so thanks for the info.

I heard that John Debney has taken over. And funny this, Lisa was pegged to score 'The Passion of The Christ', but guess who did....

Posted by: Keanuette on July 5, 2004 03:04 PM

do they do this kind of thing all the time??
on second thought, maybe there is a good reason for it?

Posted by: wanda on July 5, 2004 03:25 PM

Well, I was looking forward to this. Lisa Gerrard was partly responsible for the music from Gladiator. I desperately hope that they do NOT get Klaus Badelt (Pirates of the Caribbean) or even Hans Zimmer. I loved what he did for Gladiator, but he had Lisa there to darken him up. Usually he sounds pretty much the same, like Badelt who is in his "school".

Movie music means a lot to me *waves at Chianti* because I notice it all the way through the film, for better or worse...it can definitely ruin a film for me (Pirates).

I still don't understand the thinking behind this film's rating. Gladiator was rated R, did a rousing business, and won an Oscar...I don't understand what's up with the PG-13. I also note that Lorenzo DiBonaventura (the person I thought "got" the Matrix and I would have thought would understand about "R" films) is listed as one of the producers, along with Akiva Goldsman (who is not listed as a writer). Weird.

I"m very disappointed...but I don't think they are holding up the movie until February because of the music. They kicked off the original composer for Pirates at the last minute and I think only completed the score days before they struck the prints for distribution. Hence the crapfest that was the music. The original composer whose name I can't remember, has some of the music on his website, so it probably depends on the contract, what happens to the music that's been composed already.

OK, I think I've said enough about Pirates--loved Johnny Depp, though!

I think I'm going to start staying *away* from Hellblazer, just so I can approach the movie as a completely independent entity, that happens to share a character's name with a comic.

Posted by: Nudel on July 5, 2004 05:38 PM

NUDEL!!! eloquently put!

Posted by: wanda on July 5, 2004 07:01 PM

Whoa!...sorry to hear this.

As for John Debney...I read in the article "...he was saving this special talent for the right moment." I know this is true, and he was pretty certain it would happen. I'm sure it was by design too.

Posted by: shelz on July 5, 2004 07:28 PM

ditto shelz and nudel!
And it is really dreadful that we may never get to hear Lisa´s music, that is a hard blow on Tuesday morning with most of my work still ahead of me
and can anybody explain me what a PG 13 is?? sorry maybe my English is not good enough to understand such acronyms...

Posted by: susan on July 6, 2004 01:46 AM

Well, the problem is that a stupid movie like Spiderman makes a lot of money during the first days and a darker one like Hellboy didn't.
Now all other movies based on comics will be cutted the same way.
And do you know what - unfortunately the visitors of these movies are stupid 13-year olds who like the movies the way they are cutted in the end.

Posted by: Uriel on July 6, 2004 03:39 AM

Keanu always like to make movies for adults but unfortunately his fan base still thinks of him as Ted.
Check out the comments about every new picture of him. Doesn't his fans react like a 12-year old girl?
He is always be treated like a good looking piece of flesh.

Posted by: Susanna on July 6, 2004 03:43 AM

Susan, PG-13 is a movie "censorship" rating. It means that, theoretically, Parental Guidance is needed, and kids under age 13 probably shouldn't come. An R movie means that under 18s (is it 18?) have to come with a parent. Although some cinemas actually check ID, with multiplexes nowadays this is easily circumvented. And we all have experienced R films ruined by yelling children. *grr*

Was it the second Indiana Jones movie that had the first PG-13 rating? or Gremlins?

Nowadays PG-13 is innocuous (from an adult point of view). The ratings are done by a board of "ordinary people" (MPAA) who live in Los Angeles. Apparently there are some guidelines...Joel Silver said that the Matrix was rated R because there were kung-fu kicks to the head. Peter Jackson got his LOTR films rated PG-13 despite the violence because you mostly saw black orc blood instead of red human blood. In typical American fashion, you probably can't show a breast in PG-13, but you can be pretty violent. There are some "cursing" issues as well, but I don't know where they draw the line.

We're not the only country with strange ratings and codes, though. I think in the UK, you are not allowed to show head butts (!). I've never understood the rationale for that. I forgot to notice if they cut out the head butts in Revolutions when I saw it there, but I'm assuming they did. I think it's possible they even cut them on UK DVDs. Nettie?

Posted by: Nudel on July 6, 2004 04:31 AM

Yes...what did happen to that contract with the original composer? LOL!

...I hope we will have more news on this.

Posted by: shelz on July 6, 2004 08:06 AM

Speaking of weird ratings, there is this one movie called Young Adam starring Ewan McGreggor. In that movie, he goes full frontal for only about 5 seconds, and that one gets an NC-17. The rest of the movie could have been R-rated if the MPAA hadn't interfear! Ugh. That's not fair. The nudie part could have been taken out and that movie would have an "R" rating instead of NC-17.

I know it's off-topic, but I'm just making a point!

Posted by: Jonna on July 6, 2004 01:26 PM

Fecking hollywood!

Posted by: sta-cie on July 6, 2004 01:28 PM

The American rating system is stupid:
Full fronal woman nuditidy - R-rating
Full fronal male nuditidy - NC-17
2 times using "f**ck" and other cursing - PG13
more than 3 times - R
gore and fight - PG13
I remember that a very fine movie like Love Actually was rated R, due to Laura Linney's nipples but a movie with a lot of fighting is PG13.
Even a movie like Before Sunset has an R-rating.

I am happy that the producers of Young Adam refused the cut for an R-rating.
So did Bernardo Bertolucci with "The Dreamers".

Oh, and the persons who are members of MPAA are not some guy from Hollywood - they are from the bible belt too - this is the reason for their ratings.

Posted by: Uriel on July 6, 2004 03:19 PM

Uriel you are so right. LOL If the MPAA people were from Hollywood, there would be no rating system.
And you don't want to get me started on the sex-is-bad-but-violence-is-okay subject. *fumes*

Posted by: Zen on July 6, 2004 06:53 PM

I guess I feel like I am seeing this film because of the actor not the character -- I like Hellblazer and I read Hellblazer but if I wanted a faithful translation of that comic or indeed of any book or idea I would not go to Hollywood for it. As for the music, they changed the music for Johnny Mnemonic as well, and while the original was better, the replacement was not bad -- (I like
Johnny M and think it is becoming a real cult classic -- it is appearing on many "guilty pleasures lists"). At any rate, with apologies to the Hellblazer guys on the forum, I am looking forward to Constantine and will be seeing it should it ever be released no matter the rating, the music or the faithfulness to the original.

Posted by: jude on July 8, 2004 11:35 AM
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